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do not attempt unless ur professional like me this is not medical advice
120mg test
150mg tren
400mg mast
10iu HGH daily
100mcg abaloparatide daily
20mg infigratinib daily
4iu insulin preworkout
I am using OTC supps and medical ancillaries. Using RU58841 to prevent hair loss. Using lemborexant + melatonin for sleep. I am gonna do a cerebrolysin cycle as soon as i hop off tren to recover my brain. Im not sure what to run while on tren for neuroprotection other than like memantine so lmk.
DIO-SAMAMar 29What is your ascension target? and good luck with that
weatheringMar 29can cjc + Ipam actually help with height growth also is CJC with dac or no dac better for this?
GenesisMar 29With dac will be better but its useless just use the real deal (hgh)
flarexMar 29your face not gonna change after ts, stop coping
GenesisMar 29No
"muh the molecules which directly drive bone growth wont grow your bones"
flarexMar 29Any proof for it? You’re gullible normie
yeglazerMar 28bro posted his own plan said don't try this then asked us for advice at the end. so which is it are you the professional or are you just lost
GenesisMar 28I asked for advice about brain support on tren… i know memantine and cerebrolysin post cycle is likely more than enough but id rather be safe than sorry
no need for test or tren bro ur growth plates will fuse quicker and you will be a 5'5 manlet
Im doing low dose test so it doesnt convert my estrogen doesnt go sky high which means my plates will not be closing. Tren has no effect on this
rawmilkmanMar 29why wouldnt u use an aromatase inhibitor for e2
Its mostly precautionary but here is my reasoning 1. Testosterone is not that good for pubertymaxxing; it is not androgenic enough to have any major effect 2. Even if you pop aromatase inhibitors, there will still be high bone estrogen levels
We will see if it is worth it in 10 years when a doctor tells you that your crappy enlarged heart cannot keep up with the stress on your body 😂
GenesisMar 28left ventricular hypertrophy is easy to manage jfl
This has gotta cost sm
all this stuff totalled up costs like at most 6 grand for a years worth. the main cost is getting bloodwork done which wld be like 2.5k
rawmilkmanMar 28measure your stats before and after im very curious and take a picture of your physique and face if you're comfortable so we can see how your frame evolves before and after
yea i will right before i hop on rn im cutting because i wanna be leaner before hopping on and gathering enough money to fund this because it is expensive especially because of bloodwork
mirin stack but may i ask why mast and how do you plan to work with the androgens speeding up growth and lowering final height also where tf you finding abaloparatide and infigratinib and finally why did you include insulin may i ask
GenesisMar 28mast is androgenic and can help with facial dimo, for this same reason i might add halotestin. the reason why my test is in the trt range is because because i dont want to increase my estradiol which is how it could close growth plates. im getting my infigra from a dude who resells from api companies and my abalo is from a trusted vendor (i have it on hand rn its a good source)
rawmilkmanMar 29dont do halo you cant run it for long enough to get results and it's too toxic. You could just use an aromatase inhibitor for the e2 from test.
GenesisMar 29If i do halo ill do inj im glutathione fior liver support and cycle for 4 weeks at a time
rawmilkmanMar 29400mg mast and 150mg tren is crazy for 15 tho u sure you dont just wanna run higher test and microdose those two? id like to hear your reasoning, im hopping on soon as well (14)
GenesisMar 29Test converts and dht derivs dont which makes it much easier. Test alone wont do much other than physique. Id say run more androgenic compounds for bone and dimorphism with a low test/estrogen base.
what do you think about cjc-dac + ipa? Can it replace less than 8 IU of hgh? I’ve heard that healthy teens naturally produce more than that
GenesisMar 28not true 8ius gh will put u in supraphysiological levels of igf 1
fgfr3Mar 28In a study they gave normal, short (not ISS) non GH deficient kids 1 IU kg/week, which is 7.8 IU/day for a 55kg kid, it did not increase final adult height.
fgfr3Mar 28how long you are on this stack tho? How much did u grow?
fgfr3Mar 28In a study they gave normal, short (not ISS) non GH deficient kids 1 IU kg/week, which is 7.8 IU/day for a 55kg kid, it did not increase final adult height
rawmilkmanMar 28never do peptides in puberty just do hgh it has less sides than peptides too
fgfr3Mar 28lol
fgfr3Mar 28what you on
GenesisMar 28non gh deficiency is ISS show me the study didnt grow according to what tho?
why no AI's?
GenesisMar 28I am using an ai i just couldnt be asked to type out all the medical ancillaries i am using but most likely will only deploy an ai when needed because i lowk dont wanna fck up brain development
what do you think about cjc-dac +ipa? Can it replace <8 IU of HGH? I've heard that healthy teens naturally produce more than that
what do you think about cjc-dac + ipa? Can it replace <8 IU of hgh? I’ve heard that healthy teens naturally produce more than that
what do you think about cjc-dac + ipa? Can it replace less than 8 IU of hgh? I’ve heard that healthy teens naturally produce more than that
tzhxMar 28Wish I could get all this in a sand country
120mg test? lmao just shutting down natural production with no benefits at all mate
did u just skip past the tren and mast or are you blind
saint12090Mar 28well, im not talking about the tren or mast am i, so im confused on why ur brining that up, good luck taking trt for the rest of ur life for no reason
roids have such a small chance of permanent shutdown bro.. just pct when u wanna have kids. also u do realise u need a test base to run other androgens because androgens are SUPPRESSIVE and u need a test base for estrogen so u can function as a human.. please do ur research before commenting
saint12090Mar 28u dont even have an ai in ur stack and ur trying to call me a grey, u got an osteoperosis treatment in ur stack, which wont do anything btw since ur prolly not deficient, ironic how ur trying to insinuate im a grey, imagine taking androgens with no ai
I have aromasin on hand lol it goes under the category of "medical ancillaries"(even tho i probably wont need it because im on low dose test and mainly using non aromatising androgens) . also abalo works by extending the growth proliferation cycle, so when u suggest u need to be "deficient" for it to work just shows u dont even know how it works. keep coping with ur 179cm at 17 iqlet ur never esca…
saint12090Mar 28lmao i like how u resort to insults, just further proving my point of u being grey, also u must have missed my post where it showed i was perfect in almost every pillar lmao, keep coping with ur pointless stack, i mog u and thats ok bro
I didnt resort to insults lol i disproved u and then used insults because its clear youre not informed yet you think you are. also a 60 percent score in dimorphism is not "nearly perfect" lil bro. funny how the guy running 8iu gh no androgens is calling my stack pointless.
saint12090Mar 28why would i run androgens if my skull is already good, not tryna botch myself, my stack is frame focused, and dimo is the easiest thing to change literally just softmaxxes get a grip, the grey get greyer as they say
Well clearly ur skull isnt good if ur dimo is 60 percent LOL
saint12090Mar 28my overall score is 8.4/10 buddy i aint falling for this poor excuse of ragebait
If ur dimo is 60 androgens wluld help regardless of the rest of ur score. Either way this is a very unproductive argument because you clearly dont understand anything about AAS and it would be a waste of my time to pursue this any further. Please get educated before you speak
saint12090Mar 28nga is so ignorant, literally said I aint tryna be on trt for the rest of my life + not tryna ruin my hormones and health with androgens so please shush
"ignorant" classic grey copelet fearmongering androgens literally have such a small risk of permanent shutdown, either way me telling u this wont do anything because ur mind is already made up and ur too narrow minded to see otherwise. a google search would debunk all ur claims jfl
abdallahMar 28What does Ru58841 do ? How does it help hairloss ?
topical anti androgen; binds to the androgen receptors in the scalp where u apply it and doesnt let dht bind to them. Very good as long as you dont let it go systemic.
abdallahMar 28I have to try it, I genuinely have miniaturized hair at fcking 16, I’m sure its not genes as all my family still have all their hair even tho they quite old
tbh id recommend u use dutasteride or finasteride (topical or oral) instead because ru58841 can go systemic and has less overall evidenc im only using it because im running 19 nors and dht derivs
Yo I’m cycling too